I apologize for the bad audio - I know it sound like it was taped in a tin can, but it was the best version I could find.
Link to Wikipedia about Daniel Pipes:
Link to Wikipedia about Robert J. Shillman:
Link to Wikipedia about the Middle East Forum (think tank):
At the bottom of the Middle East forum page , you'll see the Tommy connections confirmed.
Feel free to add relevant links or mention some additional sources in the comment section - I'll be sure to add them here if they seem legit.
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